Reality check. and a challenge.

topic posted Mon, May 21, 2007 - 5:56 PM by  Unsubscribed
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While I do respect the moderator for allowing my acid, and dissenting opinion, I must challenge those of you thinking you are "revolutionary"
This does not apply to those among you who believe that treating your fellow humans with compassion is a revolutionary act. It is.

I am addressing the stale mindset, that requires villains in order to promote causes. the mindset that requires pumped up emotions, rather than observation and action. the mindset that many in CM appear to have. it;s very entitled.
This is an already failed part of leftist politics that destroyed a good deal of the left by alienating thousands here in the Bay Area who would have been glad to support good causes, had they not been so throughly insulted and villainized by over-zealous, and often violent and toxic people claiming to "represent" such causes.

Common sense seems to have been lost. I have seen this before. allow me to put forth examples of how this alone can often make the difference between a group of protesters, or activists, and a mob, or lynching party.

Black Panthers
Grey Panthers
SDS
Spartacus Youth League
Peace and freedom Party


these are all examples of ideas, that in their prime were legitimate progressive movements. then the egos took over. those more well-to-do began looking down on others that did not have the benefit of an upper class education. insults would fly, fights were started for things as trivial as manner of clothing, or what one's parents did for a living, or where someone came from.
This tore the left apart from within. COINTELPRO only finished off what the left had let die: respect for individuality. it died without a prayer, and along with any hope of passing down the lessons learned effectively to the next generation, which incidentally was the generation that then put the right in power.

I see so many similarities. the mob mind. the denials of responsibility. attempts to revise incidents. the use of symbols, children, and an "either you are with us or you are against us" mentality. (I do not have to point out the most recent famous source use of THAT thinly veiled threat)


If you are serious about this movement, you must police yourselves. that is the duty of any seriously leftist movement.

And my challenge:

I notice something strange: your routes are exceedingly in non black neighborhoods. in fact the routes are almost a sightseeing tour of the more wealthy, white populated areas, including malls, shopping area, and stores.

Why doesn't CM have routes that go through the Black and Latino neighborhoods?
You're not racist are you?
No?

Maybe there is another reason.
Maybe the reason is the "people" you claim to want to help and educate, are only the "people" from the same privileged backgrounds and of the same skin color as yourselves?

No?

Prove me wrong.

do a critical Mass in East Oakland on a weekend. like down International to 60th, and on to the Acorn


I am trying to be a little more respectful here than in my initial post,. I was exceedingly angered by the use of crying toddlers for a questionable photo op, by someone who moments before had ripped off a windshield wiper. I am well versed in the use of staged photo ops, by gifted liars, and this one wins the years best, in that category. it was a seriously shameful display if cruelty and hubris, and anyone defending supporting it is not, in theory nor practice a "leftist" not "progressive"
It is tired, old, ego-driven dead politics that serve only what I am now coming to call the "dead left", for their outdated, psychologically unstable displays of hubris and toxicity, which are a disservice to the many sacrifices and heroic actions of progressive predecessors whose progresses are being defiled and wasted in the service of the entitled and emotionally fucked up "dead left"
Time for a change.

Piero Amadeo Infante
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  • Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

    Wed, May 23, 2007 - 12:33 PM
    Piero- that's a great idea.

    When do you want to meet up? There's an Oakland Critical mass on the 1st friday of the month. Maybe we can ride from city hall to East O.
    • Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

      Wed, May 23, 2007 - 3:26 PM
      clicking the ignore button is a wonderful thing sometimes.
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        Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

        Wed, May 23, 2007 - 3:36 PM
        Thank you so much for that suggestion.

        While I always want to try to explain things to people, sometimes there are those who just won't listen.

        The first person I've ever blocked on Tribe award goes to: ..Oh, what was his name again?
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          Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

          Wed, May 23, 2007 - 4:31 PM
          lol.


          truth hurts stoners.
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            Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

            Wed, May 23, 2007 - 5:37 PM
            Why did the block function not work here?

            It's nice to see this guy call me upper middle class, right-wing, and a stoner.

            He sure knows who I am.

            Hey, Piero, what do you say the two of us go take in a movie at Bay Street in Emeryville? Let's first go to the pot club on San Pablo so we can be good and stoned. That would be on the way since I live in the Berkeley Hills. I may need a police escort though, there are far too many commoners in that part of town.
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              Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

              Sat, June 2, 2007 - 12:18 AM
              Hey Piero, Oakland CM went to East Oakland tonight and I was overwhelmed again by the positive response we received from onlookers - Pedestrians, people in their windows, motorists who cheered us on. It was awesome, as usual. Where were you?
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                Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

                Sat, June 2, 2007 - 4:42 PM
                We do go to low income neighborhoods often, where we are met by people who ask us what we're doing and then thank us for doing it when we tell them.

                The reason CM goes to shopping malls and yuppie areas is because we're protesting those very things. People don't get run over by aggressive drivers often in the parts of town that haven't yet fallen victim to the gentrification monsters because the people who frequent those areas generally have a respect for human life. People like you, Piero, and those on CL asking why we don't stop cars in "bad neighborhoods" are furthering the generalization that people with little money are violent and rude.

                Most of them know what it means to stand up for themselves, sure. So they can appreciate it when they see others standing up for themselves.
                • Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

                  Sat, June 2, 2007 - 6:40 PM
                  Piero has already dropped out, turned off and tuned out this 'conversation'.
                  thankfully.
                  Any more dialogue with the intention of Mr. P responding will be a waste of time.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
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                    Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

                    Sun, June 3, 2007 - 10:38 PM
                    Well hooray.

                    I thought he was still here ranting away because sometimes my tribe links would say there were new posts but there were none visible when I checked.
                    • Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

                      Mon, June 4, 2007 - 10:21 AM
                      wynd,

                      that piero guy is not worth the energy. it's obvious that he's just spouting his piece in an unintelligent way. he's obtuse
                      and refuses to learn anything. his comebacks are not very creative either.

                      your sarcasm, however, was not lost upon the more intelligent readers. word!
  • Re: Reality check. and a challenge.

    Fri, June 29, 2007 - 10:33 AM
    The moderator wasn't paying attention to your earlier thread when it happened - I would have shut it down in a second if I'd seen it.

    But now, I don't want to delete the thread, as there were some well written posts trying to reason with you.

    As for this thread, well we will see. It might last the weekend...

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